Salon Swagger

Brie (00:01)
Hey there, Salon and Spa superstars. Welcome to Salon Swagger, your go -to podcast for all things commission -based salon and spa ownership. I'm Brie one of your hosts, and I am here with my co -host, Chandra. How are you, Chandra?

Chandra Chriswisser (00:13)
Hello, doing good.

Brie (00:15)
Awesome. Well, today we are going to dive into a topic that hits very, very close to home for many of us. We are going to talk about imposter syndrome. It's, you know, that feeling like you're just not good enough or that you just don't belong. It's that feeling. And I think we've all probably been there at some point in our lives, but we have some good news for people today. Don't worry because we are here to help them kick those doubts out of the way. Get out of your own way, right?

and just find their brilliance as commission salon and spa owners. So I think we really need to kick things off by defining what imposter syndrome is all about, because a lot of people don't truly understand what it is. To me, it's that little voice that's in your head that just won't ever quit, right? It's that nagging feeling of constant self -doubt, and it just sneaks up on you out of nowhere, no matter how many achievements you rack up.

no matter how good you've done in your business or in your personal life. It's really those moments where you've aced something, you've received praise, but instead of feeling proud, you're kind of just left wondering, do I really deserve this? That, in my opinion, is imposter syndrome at play. The constant fear of being exposed as a fraud, even though deep down you know that you are dang well capable of doing what you're doing.

It's a relentless struggle and it affects us when it comes to our successes. I think a lot of people, when they have success, they attribute it to luck or circumstance rather than their own hard work or talent. And that is kind of where imposter syndrome came into play for me quite a bit. I felt like I was wearing a mask and...

just kind of hiding my true capabilities behind a facade of doubt and insecurity. Have you ever felt this in your life?

Chandra Chriswisser (02:20)
Yeah, many times. I think many different times, depending on the roles I'm trying to step into and the goals that I'm trying to hit. But yeah, that's exactly what it feels like. It feels like you're not supposed to be there or you're not good enough to be doing whatever it is that you're trying to do. And you do feel like you're kind of wearing a mask. Like, why am I here? What am I doing? Even though you're fully qualified or completely.

earned it whatever you're trying to go for, but you just don't feel like you belong there. And I've definitely felt like that.

Brie (02:52)
Yeah, me too. I know for me, I know one of the instances that I clearly remember was, like I've said in the past on these podcasts, my family has owned businesses for a very long time, been around ownership forever, then started out solo, right? Like in my career as a stylist started out solo. Everything was great because I was able to be me and I didn't have anybody telling me what to do, what I should do, what I shouldn't do. I was able to be myself. But that moment that I purchased my salon.

And probably the first 30 days in, imposter syndrome really, really sank in for me because I just constantly felt like I wasn't good enough. Like anything that I was doing was not successful enough. Like I was never going to reach and I was hitting goals week after week, right? Like attaining certain levels of success that I wanted and needed to hit for my team. But I just never felt like I was good enough.

Is there a time that you can remember specifically that relates to salon ownership for you and imposter syndrome?

Chandra Chriswisser (04:00)
Yeah, I think very similarly, like when I stepped into that role as an owner and I had to start managing and being a boss, I felt like I wasn't like that type of person that was good enough to do that. Or what did I do to make myself be in charge? Like I always kind of felt like, am I bossing them around? Am I doing this right? I'm not supposed to be doing these things and having that lack of self -confidence and that self -doubt.

Definitely hindered and it took a long time for me to get over that as well like many years and so it can definitely hinder your progress and it did mine in that role we had a lot of issues in the beginning because I couldn't step into that role because I was so like afraid of putting myself in that position.

Brie (04:44)
Yeah, definitely. I think it does take time, right? I think people want it to be such a quick fix, but it's not. And we're going to get into that just a little bit because there's a lot of psychological issues that come into play when we're talking about imposter syndrome. I think recognizing imposter syndrome is really just recognizing it is the first step in breaking free and being able to embrace your true worth. And I really want to hit that hard because

Every single person listening to this is worthy, right? We all have worth. And so if you're out there and you're feeling like you don't, please take this to heart because I think this podcast will be great for you. With that being said, let's really dive into that psychological part. That's what is really driving the imposter syndrome. Some of the factors that I think about,

I'm just going to put it into my experience because that's all I really know to do when we're talking about this. But perfectionism was one of the things for me that hit me really, really hard. I was, I guess, setting bars for myself that were impossibly hard to hit, right? Like I was never going to hit them. And when I didn't meet them, I felt like an utter failure. I just felt like I was a failure.

There were moments that I would just beat myself up for not being flawless. I just forgot that perfectionism is an illusion, nothing more. That is all it is.

Chandra Chriswisser (06:20)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think, yeah, as I say, I felt like that. Yeah, I think perfectionism for sure. I wanted to do everything perfect and come across like I knew what I was doing and that I had all the answers and I was doing all those things. And in my head, that's what I wanted to do. But mentally, I couldn't put myself in that space. So I would do the same exact thing. I just beat myself up all the time because.

Brie (06:22)
Did you struggle with perfectionism at all?

Chandra Chriswisser (06:47)
I wasn't doing the things the way that I thought they should be or the way I wanted them to be because I was too nervous to put myself out there.

Brie (06:55)
Definitely. Another one that I struggled with was, and we talked about this a little bit in the beginning, but attribution bias. For me, this was big because there are times where I would knock it out of the park, right? I would do something amazing and people would be giving me credit over and over and over again. But instead I would just kind of shrug it off as, oh, it was just luck, or I would give the credit to someone or something else. My brain was like refusing to acknowledge,

my brilliance, like it really, really was. It was a very hard thing for me to accept and understand. So that really hindered me as a salon owner in the beginning.

Chandra Chriswisser (07:39)
Yeah, I have the exact same experience, I would say. Like, I always, whenever I would get accolades for something or really did amazing, I always had an excuse or reason as to why it wasn't me that actually was the one that did that. You know, it was be like, I don't know, I just got lucky or yeah, something, you know, give the credit to someone else all the time. I just never really took that as myself, like good job to myself, right? Mm -hmm.

Brie (08:06)
It's hard to do it because there's that fine line, right? In humility and then being conceited. And I think that's one of the biggest things is I meet people so often that are so conceited in everything that they do and no offense to them. If that's who they are, then fine, whatever, but that's not who I am. And so I went opposite end of the spectrum completely.

Chandra Chriswisser (08:30)
Yep. Yep.

Brie (08:31)
I think something else is comparison. And for me, social media comes into play here so much, right? We look at social media all day, every day where everybody's life, it seems absolutely perfect. But let's be real, comparing yourself to others online, it's literally a one -way ticket to feeling inadequate. That's all it is. When you see on...

Chandra Chriswisser (08:55)
Mm -hmm.

Brie (09:00)
social media or on a highlight reel or whatever. And you think, oh my gosh, I want that. It's never the whole story, right? But I compared myself to every other salon owner out there, to every other person out there. And it really affected my mindset.

Chandra Chriswisser (09:07)
Mm.

Yeah, yeah, I've kind of been in that too, not as much on the social media side, even though you can get caught up in that trap very easily, but more so just trying to chase what I would see other owners doing that I thought were really successful in the industry.

And so I would compare myself to that. Like, why can't I ever hit that level? Why can't I ever attain that level? And so it would always feel like I'm chasing something that I didn't, it could never reach. And it's interesting because once I've gotten to know some of those owners actually personally, it realized they deal with all the same stuff that I deal with. They have all the same issues that I deal with. A lot of the same things, you know, all of that.

But you don't see it from that side because you only see what you're not doing or what you can't attain. Or you feel like you aren't at that level. And then when you get to know that you realize, well, actually we're pretty much at the same level. It's just all in my head.

Brie (10:13)
Yes, all in your head, right? That imposter syndrome was sneaking in there every second of every day. I think those are probably some of the biggest psychological factors that I can think of. And the majority of salon and spa owners are women. And so I think a lot of us think the same way. And those are really things that affect women, not that they don't affect men, but they really affect women, right? We're constantly comparing ourselves to others.

We want to be perfect for our families, for our spouses, for our employees, for our businesses, for all of those things every single second of every single day. And we don't like to give ourselves a pat on the back when in reality we should, we should be able to do that every once in a while. It's a really good feeling to be able to say, you did good today, Brie like great job.

Chandra Chriswisser (11:04)
Yeah, for sure.

Brie (11:06)
So I think some of the common signs and behaviors that go along with imposter syndrome are important. I think what we just talked about, like downplaying our achievements is a really, really big one. Something that I tended to do quite often was overworking in order to prove my worth, but it was to prove my worth to myself. And that was, it was so dumb. It was so dumb because I was defeated.

I wasn't benefiting myself in any way. I was killing myself just to make myself happy, which was never going to happen because I had imposter syndrome.

Chandra Chriswisser (11:46)
Yeah, for sure.

Brie (11:47)
It's like this vicious cycle that never freaking ends. Another thing, it is, it's a vicious cycle. And then some people, now I didn't deal with this, but I would love to hear if you did, but some people seek constant validation. Like that's a sign that they have imposter syndrome, right? They need constant reassurance from others to validate their abilities, constant affirmations that you're good enough.

Chandra Chriswisser (11:52)
Yeah, it is a bit.

Brie (12:16)
Even though deep down you know that you are you know that you're good at what you do you know that you're good enough but is that something that you dealt with because i didn't deal with that one as much.

Chandra Chriswisser (12:28)
I don't really deal with that one as much either, but I would say I do sometimes deal with the opposite. So like when I'm getting the, that kind of feedback from somebody, I kind of am like, I don't want that feedback because I feel like I'm not good enough necessarily. And so I usually kind of want people not to tell me those things because it makes me feel like, Oh, don't, I don't, I don't want to talk about that. Cause I don't feel like I'm doing good enough to deserve whatever they're saying. So I feel like, yeah, I mean, kind of the opposite of that, but the same, same sort of thing.

Brie (12:53)
Yeah.

It's so interesting to see how it affects different people in different ways, which I know that goes into play with our mindsets and our personalities and all of those things. And this is a topic that I think really needs to be discussed more often. I feel like it gets pushed down all the time because people don't want to open up about their feelings, right, or what they're dealing with. And so I think it's something that we really need to discuss as owners.

in this industry specifically because we are supposed to be perfect, not only for our clients, right? We have to be perfect and do everything perfect. We've got to be perfect for our employees and do everything perfect. And we've got to be perfect for our businesses and do everything perfect. And then our families on top of that, there's so much on women's shoulders when it comes to that, I feel like that is just different in that gender role.

Chandra Chriswisser (13:47)
Mm -hmm.

Brie (13:55)
than it is for men a little bit. With that being said, let's talk about kind of how it impacts people and their personal wellbeing. I think that's important because it doesn't only affect us professionally, it affects us personally as well. And it sneaks up so easily and in so many different ways. It's not just a mind game. It can really, really mess with your mental health if you're not careful.

Chandra Chriswisser (14:21)
Yeah, definitely. I think it can cause a lot of different issues, especially in our industry, especially because just like you said, there's so many things that we have to be perfect at, right? And so you're always trying to fake it till you make it, or you're always trying to be perfect and be in that role. And so I definitely think it can cause a huge mental kind of issues for sure.

Brie (14:47)
Yeah, definitely anxiety and stress. Right? When we feel like we're not good enough, we think we're going to get exposed as being a fraud. That anxiety and stress is going to creep in. It's going to make it hard to relax. It's going to make it hard to enjoy life, to enjoy our successes, to enjoy any of those things. Low self -esteem, I would say, is probably another one, right? Kind of like what you said. You're not worthy of your own accomplishments or somebody telling you, good job.

Chandra Chriswisser (14:50)
Mm -hmm. That's it. Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Brie (15:17)
That's going to chip away at your self -worth, at your self -confidence, leaving you constantly feeling like you're not good enough, no matter what you do, when in reality, you're a freaking rock star. You're a rock star.

Chandra Chriswisser (15:31)
Yep, that's definitely, yeah.

Brie (15:35)
And then burnout, right? Working yourself like I did to the bone just to prove my worth or to make everybody see what I didn't realize that they already saw. I was killing myself and doing everything I could to make sure we were all successful as a team.

Chandra Chriswisser (15:53)
Yeah, for sure. And I think depression, I mean, I think it can set in a lot of depression too for people when they're feeling so inadequate and so self -conscious and have that self -doubt in their mind all the time.

Brie (16:08)
Yeah, I would agree with that as well. What about on the professional side? What do you think it probably attributes to on the professional side?

Chandra Chriswisser (16:18)
I think it can stagnate your growth for sure because you're not putting yourself out there all the time. Or even for me, like when I was talking about how I would feel when people would give me accolades, sometimes it would hold me back from pushing myself forward a little bit and doing what I needed to do. And so I think stagnant growth, I think sometimes, you know,

not building the team you want to build because you're afraid to step into that management role and really take ownership of it. I think that can affect your business and your professional life. Yeah.

Brie (16:49)
Yeah, absolutely. You're afraid to take risks. You're afraid to pursue new opportunities. It really is like having your own personal dream killer right there in your hands, right? Right there in your mind. That's a scary thing. That's very, very scary. And I don't know. I just, I hope that people listen to this and realize that it isn't you. It is just something that you're going through and something

Chandra Chriswisser (17:01)
Yeah.

Brie (17:19)
that can be changed, right? As business owners, we have the pressure to succeed all the time. We have the weight of responsibility to make our businesses thrive. This can intensify those feelings of inadequacy. It's okay to ask for help. It's okay to take it one step at a time. And you need to realize that we have the fear of failure, right? Worrying about the consequences of failure, because this is a very competitive industry.

and that can completely overwhelm us. We've got to learn to embrace failure as a natural part of the entrepreneurial journey, honestly, and look at it as an opportunity for growth. And then I think we really need to think about finding that balance between confidence and humility, which is a really, really big one. You don't want to be so confident and conceited that you're arrogant, but yet learn to give yourself that pat on the back when you deserve it.

Chandra Chriswisser (18:16)
Yeah, for sure.

Brie (18:18)
What would you tell people? How could they work on these things and make this easier for them in both the professional and personal setting?

Chandra Chriswisser (18:28)
Yeah, I think from my experience, what helped me get through a lot of this stuff was when people would tell me good job, like I started just saying thank you. And that was it. Like I didn't go conceited and be like, yeah, I know, I'm so amazing. Instead I was just like, oh, thank you. And that actually just little things like that, those kinds of words, just start to shift your mindset a little bit and start to make you feel better.

instead of being like, oh, don't tell me that because I don't feel like I deserve any sort of accolades. It's more like, oh, you know what? Appreciate that. Thank you. And that's it. Don't make it a big thing. And then I think that really helped a lot. I think also just, I hit a point where I just decided I was just going to be myself and it didn't matter.

Brie (19:05)
Yeah.

Chandra Chriswisser (19:16)
Like if they don't like it, they don't like it, you know? And so instead of feeling like I had to compare myself to these other owners and carry myself the way that they do, or try to say things the way that they do, or try to be that somebody I'm not, I just hit that point where I was like, you know what? I'm just going to be myself. I'm going to run this the way that I want to run it. I'm going to run it the way that I think is best. And that changed everything. Plus, you know, that brings you closer to your team because then they actually know who you are.

and what you're about instead of you trying to always make it be like something that you think it should be that it's not or won't ever be because that's not you. You'll always feel like that. And so I think those are two things that really helped me a lot to just mentally get through it and kind of let some of that stuff go. Not that it doesn't creep in every now and then still, but you can catch it and see those signs and start to be like, OK. Yeah.

Brie (19:53)
Yeah, for sure.

worse.

Yeah, I love that. I think recognizing negative thought patterns is really big for people too that are facing this. If you can identify when that self doubt kind of creeps in and you can immediately start challenging those thoughts, always remember that you're not alone in feeling this way. And those negative thoughts, they do not define you. So for me, that was a big one, right? Like you have no place here.

You're not going to encompass my mindset today. And so I would start kind of challenging that. And then I would challenge it with evidence. So I would remind myself of the accomplishments and the evidence that proved my competence, right? We went up 10 K this month in sales or we did $50 ,000 in retail sales, or I had three stylists that promoted themselves, right? We saw 150 new clients. I had to remind myself with.

evidence that I worked hard to get where I was and that I deserved the success just like my team did.

Chandra Chriswisser (21:14)
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a big point that you just said right there is like you deserve success. And I think that's why so many of us are always chasing success, but never get there because we're actually holding ourselves back with those negative thoughts and not allowing us to feel like we are worthy of it. We do deserve it too, because we work hard and try to strive for that. And so I think that's a big, big point right there.

Brie (21:15)
That was really, really big for me.

Yeah. I think the only thing we can really do is learn to build resilience and learn to build confidence in ourselves as humans, as business owners, you know, just all the way around. And in order to do that, we're so good at salon ownership when we like set goals that are realistic for our teams, set expectations for our teams.

But I think we need to do that for ourselves when we're dealing with something like imposter syndrome, right? It allows us to kind of take it one step at a time to account for those small victories, but also to track our progress. So we know if we're kind of holding ourselves back or falling back a little bit, or if we're moving in the right direction.

Chandra Chriswisser (22:28)
Yeah, for sure.

Brie (22:30)
What do you do to kind of, do you do anything like that in your life to kind of make sure that you're staying on track and not letting it sink back in? Is there a way that you track that or monitor that or set, you know, expectations or goals for yourself?

Chandra Chriswisser (22:45)
Yeah, for me, I think I really just try to make sure I'm aware of when that stuff is happening. So when I try to pay attention to when I feel like that, or when I have a negative thought like that, or if I feel inadequate for some reason or self -conscious, I try to stop that and just reflect on what's causing that for a minute, and then do whatever I got to do to flip it. And so I don't necessarily.

set a specific goal for myself with something like that because more so it's just really paying attention and catching it. And I've gotten really good at doing that over the years where as soon as I start to feel like that, I'm like, okay, wait, just stop for a second. What's happening here? Like why is this happening? And then just kind of change that mindset.

Brie (23:32)
So I do a lot of journaling for me, that is one of the best things. And that's kind of what I use as my tracker because I'll go back and read every week kind of what I wrote, right? And I can tell from what I've written, because I've taught myself to be very honest, transparent, vulnerable in everything that I write. That's for me, it's for nobody else to see. And as I'm reading that, I can look back and I'm like, ah, like you were not in a good space for about three days. And so we've got to do something to combat that.

And that's where I really start making sure that I am being aware, surrounding myself with positive influences a little bit more, right? To kind of get that mindset shift going. I'll seek guidance from mentors and peers. I'll even reach out to you if I'm feeling that way. And so I think it's really important for everyone to have that to go to when they're feeling that way.

Chandra Chriswisser (24:24)
Yeah, yeah, I agree for sure. I think you need to have that support system around you.

Brie (24:31)
That's one thing that I think there is such a misconception about, especially in the beauty industry. It's like we're not worthy of finding the right mentors to help us reach our full potential, right? Or we're not business savvy enough, so why should we find a mentor? Because they're gonna look at us like we're dumb. It's that imposter syndrome, even when we're looking at finding mentorship.

Chandra Chriswisser (24:45)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Brie (25:00)
or coaches to help us better ourselves and better our businesses. Why do you think we, I know we discuss this all the time, but it's a stigma that I really want to understand and get past. What would you say to someone who is dealing with that imposter syndrome of I'm never gonna be good enough. I'm gonna have to work my butt off in order for my salon to succeed. If I don't, it's never going to get where I want it to be.

Chandra Chriswisser (25:04)
Yeah.

Brie (25:28)
What would you tell someone who is thinking that way and is pushing off community and support and mentorship?

Chandra Chriswisser (25:37)
I think the biggest thing is to make sure that they understand that they are not alone. They're not the only person that struggles with this or has dealt with this or has been through this. Because I think that's a hesitation that a lot of us have is because we think.

We don't want everybody to know how we're feeling because it's weird or it's not normal, but really and truly like every human being has that at some point, right? And so I think it's letting them know that they're not alone and that, you know, if they can reach out to a community or a mentor of some sort that can help them understand how to deal with those kinds of feelings and how to get through that and how to get past that.

and just help them figure out how they can do that, how they can find someone. Because I do think that's a big hesitation is they don't want anybody to know that they're feeling that way.

Brie (26:27)
Yeah, 100%. It's kind of the same mind block, right? Like we've got the financial side of business and we kind of put the mind block up there because we don't want to know the reality. We don't want to see the truth. And so we hide in our hole and just bury it. And that's a huge disservice to ourself, to our businesses, to our teams, to our families, to everyone. It's the same way with the way that we feel when imposter syndrome kind of sneaks in. We don't want, we want everyone to think that we're bubbly and we're, you know, we, we want to be

Chandra Chriswisser (26:31)
Mm -hmm.

Brie (26:57)
Everything we can be for everyone, but until you learn how to combat this and you really, really are vulnerable and honest with yourself in saying, I am dealing with this and I need help getting through it. You're never going to reach the level of success. And when I say success, that does not mean monetary success. I think that's very, very important. Yes, that plays a huge part in everything for business ownership, but success in your personal journey, right? With.

being happy with who you are, being confident with who you are, knowing that you can trust yourself to make the right decisions, knowing that you're human and you're going to make mistakes, but that's okay because you're gonna learn from them and keep pushing forward.

Chandra Chriswisser (27:40)
Yep, yeah, 100%. Yep.

Brie (27:43)
Awesome. Well, I think this was a really good topic. I knew that it's something that a lot of people have probably dealt with. I know I have. I know you. I mean, two out of two right here, right, that have already dealt with it in some way, shape or form. I would even tell you probably that every single entrepreneur who has ever existed has dealt with it at some point. Probably every human in all honesty.

Chandra Chriswisser (27:46)
Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yep.

Brie (28:09)
So don't feel bad for feeling this way. There is a ton of research out there too that you can learn. There are some great books that you can read if you're dealing with something like this. It's a big, big deal that people really need to take seriously because when you can get out of your own way and kick imposter syndrome out of your life, out of your way, off your journey, you are going to be in a really, really good spot and be able to enjoy.

every success that you have and know that you have worked your butt off so you actually deserve it. You're worthy of every success and every ounce of respect that comes your way.

Chandra Chriswisser (28:52)
Yeah, absolutely.

Brie (28:54)
I think people need to understand that their passions and their expertise and their unique contributions make them a very invaluable asset to this world. And if we could all see ourselves the way that everybody else sees us, it would just be a really, really beautiful thing.

Chandra Chriswisser (29:13)
Oh, for sure. I think so. That would be amazing.

Brie (29:16)
So I just want to leave everybody with one final thought. This journey towards self discovery, self acceptance, it's going to be ongoing, right? It's, it's constant. It really is. There are going to be days like Chandra said, where imposter syndrome is going to rear its head once again, when self doubt is going to threaten to cloud your vision. But just remember that you aren't alone. I know we've said it, but I feel like we can't say it enough.

I cannot say this, like you have to find a community that you can lean on for support, for guidance, for encouragement. There are a ton of mentorship and coaching programs out there that offer support specifically for commission based salon and spa owners, right? They've been there, done that, felt it, or are experience it right now. And so.

I think we need to learn to continuously challenge ourselves, celebrate our achievements, and embrace the journey of growth that lies ahead, because it's going to be a beautiful, beautiful thing if we will just allow it to be. With each step that you take towards greater self -awareness and self -acceptance, you're not just transforming yourself, you are actually inspiring other people to do the exact same thing.

Chandra Chriswisser (30:40)
Yeah, absolutely.

Brie (30:42)
Anything you want to leave people with, that was kind of my two cents.

Chandra Chriswisser (30:46)
I know. I think just like what you said though, really find a community, get help. Know you're not alone if you feel like that. I think that's one of the biggest things that helped me also was just finding, and that's how I found out a lot of these other owners that I was like, I'm going to attain to, we're the same. And that's why I say we all feel the same way. It's just in our head. So I think get out of your head and start, you know.

moving towards the direction that you want to go in and stop holding yourself back. That would be my two cents.

Brie (31:19)
Yeah, get out of your head, get out of your way. And sometimes it's literally the simplest thing. You find a community, you find a mentor, you find a coach, you find whatever that is, and you're just able to get it off your chest and everything goes away. Because when somebody understands what you're going through and you're able to relate on that, everything changes, everything.

Chandra Chriswisser (31:40)
Yep, 100%. Cool.

Brie (31:43)
Awesome. Well, thank you guys for kicking it with us today on Salon Swagger. Now go out there and kick imposter syndrome to the curb and make some boss moves. Do not forget guys to subscribe to our podcast for strategies, interviews with industry experts. We're going to be having some of those very soon and these in -depth discussions that are very, very important. If you have any topics that you would like us to cover in future episodes, you can always reach out. Chandra is going to tell you how.

Chandra Chriswisser (32:10)
Yeah, reach out to us on social media. You can send us a message on Instagram or Facebook or shoot us an email at admin at the beauty biz agency .com.

Brie (32:19)
Awesome. Don't forget to follow us on social media for some amazing free resources and strategies that you can implement immediately to level up your commission -based salon or spa. With that being said, until next time, keep slaying those business goals with style, SaaS, and a whole lot of swagger. Talk to you later.

Chandra Chriswisser (32:37)
Bye.